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22 February 2015 at 2:03 am #874Barbara WhiteParticipant
With all the discussion going on in India about Hinduism and what it is, I thought it useful to quote Sri Aurobindo from The Renaissance in India, p.133: ‘Indian philosophy…is the organised intellectual theory of the intuitive ordering perception of all that is the soul, the thought, the dynamic truth, the heart of feeling and power of Indian religion. Indian religion is Indian spiritual philosophy put into action and experience.
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17 February 2015 at 7:46 am #870Barbara WhiteParticipant
PM Modi’s Speech at Conference Organised by Christian Groups: Full Text All India | NDTV | Updated: February 17, 2015 14:33 IST New Delhi: Here is the text of Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s address at the National Celebration of the Elevation to Sainthood of Kuriakose Elias Chavara and Mother Euphrasia “I am delighted to participate in this function to celebrate the elevation to sainthood of two great saints of Kerala – Saint Kuriakose Elias Chavara and Saint Euphresia. The whole country is proud of their recognition. Their elevation was preceded by that of Saint Alphonsa, who also hailed from Kerala. The life and deeds of Saint Chavara and Saint Euphresia are an inspiration not only to the Christian community, but to humanity as a whole. They are shining examples of dedication to God through selfless service for the betterment of mankind. Saint Chavara was a man of prayer and also a social reformer. In an era when access to education was limited, he stressed that every church should have a school. He thus opened the doors of education to people from all sections of society. Few outside Kerala know that he started a Sanskrit school, and also a printing press. His contribution towards women’s empowerment was also noteworthy. Saint Euphrasia was a mystic who dedicated her life to prayer and devotion to God. Both these saints dedicated their life to God through service of fellow beings. The ancient Indian saying: welfare of the world is the way to moksha (salvation) – explains their life. Friends, Spiritualism is rooted in India’s heritage. Indian saints and Greek sages had intellectual and spiritual exchanges thousands of years back. India’s openness to new ideas is manifest in the Rig Veda: Let noble thoughts come to us from all sides. This philosophy has guided our intellectual discourse since time immemorial. Mother India gave birth to many religious and spiritual streams. Some of them have even travelled beyond Indian borders. The tradition of welcoming, respecting and honouring all faiths is as old as India itself. As Swami Vivekananda said: We believe not only in universal toleration, but we accept all religions as true. What Swami Vivekananda had said a century ago holds good and will, for ever, not only for this nation but also for this government or for that matter any government in India, run by any political party. This principle of equal respect and treatment for all faiths has been a part of India’s ethos for thousands of years. And that is how it became integral to the Constitution of India. Our Constitution did not evolve in a vacuum. It has roots in the ancient cultural traditions of India. Gurudev Rabindranath Tagore had inspired us to dream of a land where the mind is without fear and the head is held high. It is that heaven of freedom we are duty bound to create and preserve. We believe that there is truth in every religion. Friends, Let me now come to the issue which is central and critical for peace and harmony in the contemporary world. The world is increasingly witnessing division and hostility on religious lines. This has become a matter of global concern. In this context the ancient Indian plea of mutual respect for all faiths is now beginning to manifest in global discourse. This long felt need and urge for mutually respectful relations led to the interfaith conference on ‘Faith in Human Rights’ at the Hague on tenth December, 2008. This was coincidentally also the 60th Anniversary of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights by the United Nations. Religious leaders representing every major world religion – Christianity, Hinduism, Judaism, Bahai Faith, Buddhism, Islam, Taoism and indigenous religions met, discussed and pledged to uphold the Universal Declaration and of freedom of religion or belief. In their historic declaration, they defined what constitutes freedom of faith and how it is to be safeguarded. We consider the freedom to have, to retain, and to adopt, a religion or belief, is a personal choice of a citizen. The world is at cross roads which, if not crossed properly, can throw us back to the dark days of bigotry, fanaticism and bloodshed. This harmonious convergence among religions could not be achieved even when the world entered the third millennium. And now it has been. This shows that the rest of the world too is evolving along the lines of ancient India. Speaking for India, and for my government, I declare that my government stands by every word of the above declaration. My government will ensure that there is complete freedom of faith and that everyone has the undeniable right to retain or adopt the religion of his or her choice without coercion or undue influence. My government will not allow any religious group, belonging to the majority or the minority, to incite hatred against others, overtly or covertly. Mine will be a government that gives equal respect to all religions. India is the land of Buddha and Gandhi. Equal respect for all religions must be in the DNA of every Indian. We cannot accept violence against any religion on any pretext and I strongly condemn such violence. My government will act strongly in this regard. With this commitment, I appeal to all religious groups to act with restraint, mutual respect, and tolerance in the true spirit of this ancient nation which is manifest in our Constitution and is in line with the Hague Declaration. Friends, I have a vision of a Modern India. I have embarked on a huge mission to convert that vision into reality. My mantra is Development. In simple terms it means food on every table, every child in school, a job for everybody and a house with toilet and electricity for every family. This will make India proud. We can achieve this through unity. Unity strengthens us. Division weakens us. I sincerely request all Indians, and all of you present here to support me in this huge task. Let the elevation to sainthood of Saint Chavara and Saint Euphrasia, and their noble deeds inspire us: -to maximize our inner strength -to use that strength for transforming society through selfless service -to fulfil our collective vision of a developed and modern India. THANK YOU.All India | NDTV | Updated: February 17, 2015 14:33 IST
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12 February 2015 at 3:50 am #862Barbara WhiteParticipant
Robert, Thanks for helping to put our discussion into a larger perspective. It has long appeared to me that these two orthodox religions are expending their powers in a display of self-destruction one more obvious than the other; one warlike and the other via political pressure. A lot remains to fall by the wayside.
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10 February 2015 at 2:35 am #856Barbara WhiteParticipant
Folks, The New York Times expresses its view on Obama’s remarks on religious intolerence in India. See: Modi’s Dangerous Silence, NYT or NYT Editorial Slams Modi, The Hindu. Obama’s remarks have engendered a heated discussion on both sides of the ocean. Perhaps he has done us a favor by raising the subject of religion. Thea has said that religion (spirituality) lies at the core of world problems today. Just consider the problem here in India where the sacred calendar conflicts with the natural calendar by 23 days! She has written extensively about this problem and the difficulty in getting the country into harmony with the Earth’s movements.
Here is an article Why Narendra Modi was Banned from the U.S: blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2014/15′ . A salient quote: ‘But Mr. Modi had also become an intensely polarizing figure among Indian-Americans. Other Indian-American groups, including the Indian American Muslim Council, learned of Modi’s planned visit and began lobbying the State Department, Congress and the sponsors of his speaking engagements to prevent him from appearing.’
And this on the scientists perplexity concerning ‘time’:http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/feb06/the singular-universe-and-reality-of-time. Here is a pertinent passage: Unger and Smolin want to overturn the picture of cosmology with which many of us are broadly familiar through a hundred different popular accounts. In that version, the universe – and therefore time as part of the space-time continuum – came into being following a big bang 13.8bn years ago. At first the universe was inconceivably tiny but then approximately 10 to the power of minus 37 seconds into the expansion, something called cosmic inflation led to exponential growth and the seeds of what we observe today. Oh and, the theory suggests, ours is just one of an infinite number of universes in the multiverse. Unger and Smolin say that parts of this model are essentially preposterous. There is, they argue, just one universe. Time is real and the laws of nature are not timeless but evolve. Mathematics is not a description of some separate timeless, Platonic reality, but is a description of the properties of one universe.
Let’s hear from you all, Barbara
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8 February 2015 at 2:01 am #849Barbara WhiteParticipant
For me, one of the most important aspects of the discussion that Obama’s speech has engendered is that it is bringing out the question of government and religion. Here in India although the Constitution separates religion from government thus establishing a secular state, in fact the Indian government controls a large number of Hindu temples (not to mention Auroville). With Obama’s second speech at the National Prayer Day meeting in DC, more criticisms have emerged, mostly from the US Christian constituency who are dismayed by his reference to past episodes of Christian barbarism. History reveals something, but what about now? I will post more later. Barbara
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