Thea

  • Thea replied to the topic Integral Cosmology of the Veda in the forum Aeon Forum 10 years, 1 month ago · 

    Robert will answer, Harimala, but I just need to clarify that in my cosmology I do not at all eliminate the measure reached through the Precession of the Equinoxes. And it is theayanamsha  IN THAT CIRCLE that corrections are attempted – in the passage of the Ages or Manvantaras. My point is that you cannot apply that Measure, assuming it is…[Read more]

  • Thea replied to the topic Integral Cosmology of the Veda in the forum Aeon Forum 10 years, 1 month ago · 

    Hari, your response quoted above, and to which I replied (rather astonished!) seemed to be explained in a recent article published in Swarajya by Prof V. Anantha Nageswaran. I wrote an Open Letter in response which is carried on this website. He writes, ‘The brainwashing of Indians with Western thought, arguments and conclusions continue even…[Read more]

  • Thea replied to the topic Integral Cosmology of the Veda in the forum Aeon Forum 10 years, 1 month ago · 

    Hari and all,

    Your statement makes me wonder how you can be involved with Jyotish at all! You are aspiring to the timeless, beyond the cosmic manifestation, to that which is unmoving, unchanging. So, I have to ask again, why are you dealing with the essentials of a creation in matter? Why put so much effort into correcting anything if you do…[Read more]

  • I would like to offer a different perspective to the very important issue of the forces dead set on not allowing the Modi government to succeed. We realise that it is not the BJP or the Sangh Parivar that is the […]

    • This entire piece is apparently a covert effort to practice exactly what it overtly decries at the beginning. The end betrays that the entire piece is not in tune with the Indian spirit but with the Western ambition of undoing the Hindu Dharma. Why should India import mother Theresas here. There are poorer countries elsewhere where their services are most needed. Secondly if Theresas do aspire in real services to the societies, let them cleanse the West of the crimes that are plaguing them. For, the proverb says ‘Oh, phyisician, heal thyself first’.

      Hinduism does not despair. Krishna shows in Mahabharatha that God will take sides in a war; but blesses those who are on the side of the Dharma.

      So the above lamentations are not of a genuine Hindu.
      s.r.krishna murthy.

    • Krishna Murthy your assessment of Thea’s open letter as ‘Western ambition of undoing the Hindu Dharma’ is quite far from the Truth. You have very much misunderstood the last paragraph of this letter, and probably everything else in it. Thea’s mention of Mother Teresas and ‘harvesters of Indian souls’ does not reflect her support of such activity at all. She is acknowledging that it is some people’s dharma to fall into this trap, but clearly India’s Sanatana Dharma is much greater and will prevail over such ignorance. If you are open to reconsidering your faulty snap judgment, you will find that Thea is a great proponent of the Sanatana (eternal) Dharma. She has revealed things about it that are truly necessary for India and for the world to move forward into this eternal knowledge/gnosis, leaving superstitions and dogma in the past age where they belong. To judge her Open Letter as ‘Western ambition of undoing the Hindu Dharma’ is a knee jerk reaction that does no service to the Dharma you feel you are protecting. It is up to you as to whether you want to become better informed as to the real intention and Shakti-force behind her writings. It is also up to you whether or not you wish to let xenophobia (or whatever else has elicited this comment from you) cloud your judgment on such important matters for India and the world.

      Below are some links to Thea’s writings, which if you read with an open mind/spirit, I imagine you would come to an entirely different conclusion than the above.

      http://patrizianorellibachelet.com/BookIndex0.html

      http://puraniccosmologyupdated.blogspot.com/

    • Dear Krishnamurthy, if you read the entire piece it is very clear that Thea has clearly mentioned how the battle-lines against Hindu Culture have been drawn and the motivations of the hostile forces who wish to destroy the Vedic culture. With remarkable perspicacity she has unraveled the deepest motives of the dark forces and their strategies to derail the Vedic Culture and thus has armed us with the knowledge necessary to defend our Mother well. She has clearly defined the role of India as being the center of the Earth and the how the very plan of the hostile forces is to take her away from the center and deprive her of the role of Guru among nations, the nation to harbor the first of gnostic races that Sri Aurobindo propheised about. She has stated that as the center of the Earth, it is her destiny to weave a cosmic harmony out of the nations of the Earth by revealing to them their embodied ideals, and thus to realize the Vedic Ideal of “World is a Family”. Clearly a part of this role also requires her to put each of the communities in India in their right places and reveal their roles and contribution to India’s own dharma. It is in this regard, she has stated that even the christian missionaries are performing their dharmic duty by materializing and educating India’s poorest and we should see deeper than their surface efforts at converting people. Thea has objected to conversion in this essay and in innumerable essays and I have not met a person who has been as systematically targeted by christian missionaries as Thea has been, precisely because of her opposition to conversions. In fact, if India is still Hindu and has not become a christian nation, it is largely due to Thea’s efforts.

      In the last paragraph while stating that it is the dharmic duty of missionaries to convert, she has also stated that -“even as it is India’s dharmic obligation – the whole of India, all Indians included – to uphold and to protect that Dharma.”

      But she wants us to look deeper and see that even these missionaries have a role to play in shaping the dharma of this country, and this cannot be taken as approval of missionary activity.

      You need to learn not just to read, but also to understand.

    • Gurucharanam Saranam

      The Despairs As Well As Hope before Hindus

      In the Rig Veda we find this verse: We are surrounded by dasyus from all sides. They do not perform yagna; they are non-believers. Their observances are different. O’ Slayer of enemies! Kill them, destroy their tribes. The history of religious intolerance is quite old and unpleasant. Holding a flashlight on this stagnated pool is only to lift up one to a refreshing perspective. The conflicts between devas and asuras in the scriptures are interpreted as the history of conflicts between Dravidians and Aryans. Prior to the Aryan cycle, the Dravidian race dominated. From the accounts in the epics and puranas and other ancient texts, it can be known that the Dravidians were an advanced civilization. Many among them like Bali, Ravana and Mayan were titans of that age possessing superhuman skills. Their technological prowess and architectural skills were superb. They had airplanes and mystical weapons, which could be either a much advanced version or a prototype of today’s nuclear weapons. They had built magnificent palaces and cities. As ages went by, the Dravidian civilization decayed. Great geological changes occurred. There was the great Flood. The Kumari continent (Lemuria) of the Dravidians had gone underneath the deeps. The ice age had set in. Then a new race emerged from the snowy cool mountains and terrains – the white Aryans, may be 10000 – 15000 years ago. They began to conquer the moribund Dravidian civilization – the asuras, daityas, rakshashas, nagas, vanaras and other aboriginal races which inhabited the earth from previous age cycles.

      It seems that the Dravidians chiefly worshiped Siva. It has been established from the excavations at Mohenjo-Daro and Harappa that the worship of Siva existed even before the emergence of Aryans. Some historians say that the Aryan, Greek, Roman and Celtic religions developed from the ancient Sumerian civilization in Mesopotamia. The Sumers built their cities and towns dedicated to the worship of gods and goddesses like sun, moon, vayu, water, etc. But, who inhabited Sumeria? It must be a branch of ancient Dravidians, who were spread throughout West Asia in ancient times. According to researchers, the old Sumerian texts mention that people arrived from south by sea and occupied the land. Sumerian seals were one among the artifacts recovered from Indus valley, which establishes the early contact between the two civilizations.

      The Aryan worship was notable for its fire worship and sacrifices aimed to appease various nature deities like Vayu, Yama, Agni, Varnua, etc. Nevertheless, the Vedic seers perceived Truth as an organic whole. God was perceived as a Cosmic Archetypal Person (Purusha) from whose sankalpam emerged the universe including the sun, earth, moon and other planets and all sentient and insentient beings. Although the Rig Veda assigns the creation to Purusha, the Vedic community gave importance to the worship of guardian deities. In the Vedic religion the spiritual authority was vested with a community of priests or purohits, who called themselves as brahmanas. They considered themselves as superior claiming their origin from the face of the Cosmic Purusha. The status of kshatriyas, vaisyas and sudras dwindled according to the limbs from which they originated from the Purusha, such as from his arms kshatriyas, from navel the vaisyas and from the legs sudras although such a theory of genesis is viewed as a clear misinterpretation of Purusha Sukta. The brahmanas who now grouped themselves as purohits became specialized in complex fire rituals, which they conducted for the rulers who wanted to ward off threats from natural forces as well as expiation of sins for their misdeeds. The Vedic priests conducted rituals for the ruling class and the elite who generously gifted cows, land, grains, gold etc. and granted them special privileges. The sudra had no spiritual or social privileges under the Vedic dispensation.

      II

      According to few historians, a group among the Aryans decided to migrate to Iran protesting against the corruption of Vedic priests and established the religion of Zarathustra (the Parsi religion). In the Zarathustra religion the devas were treated as unholy spirits. In India too, some wise men were unhappy with the greedy Vaidikas and their pompous rituals and sacrifices. These wise men withdrew to forests and mountain caves and began to meditate on the mystery of life. They received visions of truth and shared their knowledge to the keen disciples who approached them. Their teaching came to be known as Upanishads, which means ‘learn sitting near the master’. They propagated the wisdom path. It is from the Upanishad rishis the ashram and guru-sishya tradition originated. The Upanishad seers saw God as pure Consciousness beyond name and form. However, these rishis lived a secluded life away from worldly pursuits, which they took as mind’s unprofitable diversion. Therefore, their profound and egalitarian ideology could not be developed into a religious culture among the masses. So, they continued to live trapped in the decadent religious practices.

      Efforts were on to liberate the people from this pathetic condition and spiritual downfall from the time of Sri Krishna itself. Krishna taught humanity the first lessons of religious tolerance and tried to harmonize worldly life with transcendental wisdom. He initiated the concept of an undivided and eternal Supreme Entity which rules over the universe and whose light guides all sentient and insentient beings remaining in their innermost self. One can find the basic principles of a perfect spiritual science in the teachings of Sri Krishna in Bhagavat Gita. Through the famous verse in Bhagavat Gita yadhaa yadhaa hi dharmasya glaanirbhavati bhaarata, abhyuthanam adharmasya tadaatmaanam srijaamyham, Sri Krishna was presenting an alternative spiritual path, i.e. the system of an (epochal) spiritual mediator, an avatar or Guru medium, who will lift up humanity whenever dharma is in peril. Krishna said: Surrender your heart completely to me; love and worship me; bow only before me abandoning all other paths. Then you can see me, this is my promise. I am the one who love you the most; you submit all dharma to me. Find refuge in me and do not fear because I will save you from all sins and slavery.

      Through this exhortation, Sri Krishna was trying to liberate the society from the domination of Vaidikas and Vedic ritualism. According to some thinkers the Mahabharata war was a war between Sri Krishna and the spokesperson of Vedic Dharma, Dhronacharya. Such a pernicious and colossal war in which almost all kshatriyas of the land were perished was not fought just for resolving a family feud. It could have been as well a rebellious war against the hegemony and injustices of a priestly social order, which supported a corrupt regime. When Krishna passed away from the scene with the end of Dwapara yuga, the Vedic religion re-established its supremacy. Krishna’s life and teachings were misinterpreted to suit the tradition. The profundity of Krishna’s teachings was lost in the fanciful tales of the poets who portrayed Krishna as Makkan Chor or Radhe Krishna, who flirted with gopikas.

      Then the Sage Kapila came with Sankhyan philosophy. The Vedic religion had become unpopular with the masses. The philosophy of Sage Kapila freed the concept of God and Creation from the ritualistic framework of Vedic religion. Sankhyan philosophy can be said as a refinement of the philosophical discourse of Upanishadic Rishis and their jnana path. Buddhism and Jainism were influenced by the Sankhyan philosophy. People suffering from an oppressive religious and social order wanted a Savior. Buddha was that Savior. Buddha’s religion was egalitarian and based on right action, human love and compassion. There was no place in it for meaningless rituals and caste discrimination. The whole of India and many other nations in Asia accepted the ideology of Buddha.

      III

      The period of Buddhism between 600 B.C– 800 AD was the golden period of Indian history. Chandragupta Maurya, Asoka, Vikramaditya, Harsha and Kanishka were the great emperors of this age. It was during this period several other great souls like Patanjali, Sree Sankaracharya, Kautilya, Aryabhatta, Charvaka, Susrutha, Kalidasa, Amarasimha, Vararuchi, Bhairavi, Varahamihira, Dandin, Banabhatta, Subandhu, Bhathruhari, Bhavabhuti and others lived spreading the glory of India around the world. The great growth of Buddhism was intolerable to the Vaidikas although the Buddhist Sangha constituted a large number of Brahmins. Buddhism and Jainism which came as protest movements against the Vedic religion were depicted as Atheists and their followers were ridiculed and persecuted. It was another chapter of religious intolerance. Buddhism was soon split into two sects – Hinayana and Mahayana, incorporating the very practices which the Buddha abhorred such as the veneration of deities, animal sacrifice and inclusion of mantric and tantric rituals into the Buddhist canon. Soon Buddhism weakened and migrated outside its land of origin.

      During the Gupta period, the Vedic religion regained its upper hand. The Indian society under Vedic religion was highly segmented on the basis of caste. Each caste, tribe or guild had different gods (kula devata), mostly lesser and unholy spirits compared to the beautiful gods of higher castes. This crippled the spiritual and social solidarity of Hindu masses. Eventually, the Gupta dynasty declined and foreign intruders began to mount attacks on India. The local rulers who were in mutual enmity went to the extent of seeking assistance from these foreign intruders in order to defeat their enemies in the neighborhood. India had fully degenerated socially and politically after the decline of Buddhism. It was at this moment in history Islam made it entry into India. The kings of India bent their knees in front of the ferocious sultans. Thousands and thousands were massacred and all wealth looted. Thousands were forcibly converted. Those who refused were put to the sword. Their womenfolk were raped. Some jumped into fire. Many thousands were taken as slaves to die in the enemy lands. Hindu temples and Buddhist viharas were razed to the ground. The holiest of holy temples of Hindus at Ayodhya, Mathura and Kashi were demolished and masjids built in their place. The world famous Buddhist library at Nalanda was burnt to ashes.Islam inflicted horrendous pain not only on Hindus but also on Christians and Jews. Islam was born out of a historical frustration in the area of spirituality. Despite the efforts of many earlier messengers like Sri Krishna, Buddha, Mahavir and prophets like Abraham, Moses and Jesus Christ, people had not yet accepted the true path and relapsed again and again to the faith in many messiahs, gods and demigods. Some among the early persecuted Christians believed that the ferocious power of Islam was the curse of God on them for deviating from their true faith.

      Buddhism and Jainism were basically protest movements against the Vedic religion, against its caste segregation and priest-craft. However, Buddhism and Jainism had never posed a threat to India’s fundamental culture and unity. Even when there were differences, the undercurrents of culture remained the same. Buddism and Jainism never ‘de-nationalized’ the people of India, as a well known westerner put it. The Indian religions never displayed religious hatred or bigotry as seen today in a manner that would tear away the very unity of the country and its cultural foundation. India was always known for its religious tolerance compared to other nations. The Indian society was not politically segmented on the lines of race, class, caste and tribe as it is seen today. However, changes took place in the fabric of Indian society after India was colonized by the British. Although during the rule of the Muslim Sultanate and Mogul kings, a lot of Hindus were forcibly or otherwise converted to Islam, it had not affected the pan Indian Hindu identity and culture. It was difficult to convert the majority Hindus, who were spread across the length and width of the country from Kashmir to Kanyakumari. With the end of Mogul rule the advance of Islam came to an end. During the British period also serious efforts were made for the conversion of Hindus. However, Hinduism outlived all these attacks while the Islamic conquests and European colonialism had uprooted the native cultures and beliefs in the continents of America, Europe, Africa and other places. They forced their religion on the conquered people and thus Christianity and Islam became the biggest religions in the world.

      It was in South East Asia Islam and Christianity failed because Hinduism and Buddhism strongly resisted the efforts of global religious conversion. At the time of independence, the Hindu population in India was more than eighty five percent. Nevertheless, the thousand year long Islamic and British rule had greatly affected the Hindu society politically and socially. Several social evils and superstitions in Hindu society were demolished. The reform movements began by Ram Mohan Roy, Dayananda Saraswati, Swami Vivekanada, Aravind Ghosh, Mahatma Gandhi, Ambedkar, Sri Narayana Guru and others helped. There was a constitution which ensured social justice to the deprived classes in order to prevent the hegemony of a Brahmanical social order. Concepts such as freedom of religion and secularism were included in the Constitution. When the hold of religion was separated from the political system after independence, the Hindu religion was not accepted as the state religion, although the Hindus were in majority. At the same time, two theocratic states came into existence dividing India – Pakistan and Bangladesh. This caused big distress to the majority of Hindus. The efforts of the British succeeded to restrain Hindu religion politically and socially. In one way, the partition of India was unavoidable, because both the British and Indian leaders had realized that it was impossible to restrain and make the Muslims live under a democratic set up among the majority Hindus. Whenever and wherever Muslims form the majority, they would opt for a theocratic society under Islamic laws. This is inbuilt in the Islamic theology.

      IV

      Behind the British occupation of India, there were not only political and economic aims; one of their main objectives was to convert the people of India into Christianity. The British saw the Indians and their religion as primitive. They strongly believed that only through Christianity the Indian souls could be saved. Several missionaries from Europe arrived in India for this purpose. The British administration extended all assistance to them. However, they soon realized that it was almost impossible to convert the Hindus. This fact has been mentioned in the book ‘Letter on the State of Christianity in India in which the Conversion of the Hindus is Considered Impractical’, written R. Abe Dubois, a missionary in India during the British period. The British administration and the missionaries who arrived in India changed their tactics when they understood that it was not easy to convert the Hindus. First, they began to study about the religion, philosophy and culture of India. They were surprised to find the history of a very ancient and profound culture. They thought that a people who was so much degenerated and colonized could not be the heirs to this great culture and philosophy. They picked up the theme of conflicts between deva and asura in the Puranas and described it as the racial conflicts between Aryan and Dravidian population. It was William Jones, Max Muller and other Indologists who propagated this concept first. Sri Rajiv Malhotra has done a detailed study of this subject in his book ‘Breaking India’.

      The Indians who were living for centuries in unity and brotherhood suddenly became Dravidians and Aryans, hill tribes, dalits, etc. They defined Indian society as a conglomeration of isolated groups which had no common bonds. Through this they aimed to divide Indian society on the basis of race, caste, language and region and held Hinduism responsible for all these evils. The missionaries thought that they could convert more and more Hindus into Christianity by exploiting and aggravating this situation. The Dravidian movement in Tamil Nadu is a big example for this. During the British period, Christian missionaries in India like Bishop Robert Caldwell and others provided ideological fire for this movement. They spread the idea that the Aryans, after coming to India, destroyed Dravidians, their religion and culture and therefore Aryans were the enemies of Dravidians. The books and articles written by these missionaries and their preaching raised a cloud of racial hatred. Thus the Hindu religion, language and culture were seen as the enemies of Dravidians. In 1916 an organization was founded by the name Justice Party. It is this organization which has become the Dravida Munnetta Kazhakam (DMK) in the political scenario today. During this period there was a big tide of religious animosity in Tamil Nadu. A lot of people in Tamil Nadu converted to Christianity. Sanskrit and Hindi, the language of North Indians were opposed. The Hindu face of Tamil Nadu underwent change like that of Kerala. The Aryan-Dravidian racial conflict spread to Sri Lanka also. The European colonialists adopted the method of polarizing the people of India on the lines of caste, class, religion, race and language, which kept them alienated from the national mainstream through social and political confrontations. Thus religious intolerance is perpetuated in the form of political and social protest movements.

      V

      Western culture or Arab culture is incapable of leading the human race towards peace and spiritual fulfillment. Today, the influence of western materialist culture has led humanity to all types of vulgarity, family breakdown, health hazards and environmental damage. There is disillusionment and disquiet everywhere. The murderous jihadi groups are slowly digging the grave of Islam, which has grown through a history of bloodshed. Majority of its followers are blind to any other truth, therefore, are confined to their self-imposed ideological isolation. The world is in need of a new spiritual path to forge ahead, which would form the basis of the faith of future humanity. Navajoythi Sree Karunakara Guru said that only the wisdom tradition (jnana path) of the rishis provide such a unitive spiritual view, which has been developed through ages of spiritual enquiry and culture. Guru mentions that all religions, sages and prophets have their own place in the historical march of humanity. Therefore, we should not berate any religion or prophet. What we can do is to pray for a good transformation with a benign vision and largeness of heart. The slogan of mere religious harmony is not enough. The human race has to be guided to the path of one Supreme Godhead, who is not Hindu, Christian or Muslim. God rules over His entire creation equally. Although God is formless, Guru said that God has a shape. A formless God has no necessity to create a world full of forms and names. Manu Smriti provides a rational view of creation thus:

      ‘This universe was enveloped in darkness- unperceived, undistinguishable, undiscoverable, unknowable, as it were, entirely sunk in sleep. The irresistible Self-existent Lord, undiscovered, creating this universe with the five elements and all other things was manifested dispelling the gloom. He who is beyond the cognizance of the senses, subtle, un-discernible, eternal, who is the essence of all things and inconceivable, himself shown forth. He desiring, seeking to produce various creatures from his own body, first created the waters, and deposited in them a seed. This (seed) became a golden egg resplendent as the sun, in which he himself was born as the progenitor of all worlds. The waters are called Narah, because they are the offspring of Nara; and since they were formerly the place of his movement (ayana), he is therefore called Narayana… That Lord having continued in the egg divided it into two parts (male and female) by his mere thought. Its (the egg’s) womb, vast as the mountains of Meru, was composed of the mountains and the mighty oceans were the waters, which filled its cavity. In that egg were the continents, seas and mountains, the planets and divisions of the universe; the gods, the demons and mankind.

      The male creation of God is the Manu of Manvantara cycles who is not to be confused with the author of Manu Smriti with the same name. The female part is known as Satarupa. The echo of this idea of a Cosmic Person is also reflected in the Semitic religions. The word Adam is said to have originated from the Sanskrit root ‘Adi’, which means the beginning. The great Rishis taught us that Guru Principle is the qualitative transformation, the creative intent of the formless Brahman. (Brahman is different from the god Brahma. Brahman denotes to Almighty God). The Tantra texts mention that God exists in the form of Guru (Primal Guru, the Cosmic Purusha) in the middle of a thousand-petalled lotus. The solar system is created by the sankalpam of this Cosmic Preceptor, known as Manu. Thus Manu is the authority of a solar system. The Indian sages calculated the age of universe in terms of Manvantara after the name of Manu. We should remember that the words ‘manushya’, ‘manava’, ‘manuja’ and even the English word ‘man’ is derived from the root Manu. There is an interpretation that the word Bharat is derived from Manu. Manur Bharata Iti Bharata, i.e. the land governed by Manu is Bharat. One wheel of creation (kalpa) is set to the time periods of fourteen such Manus. In the long duration of a Manu age partitioned by cosmic ages such as Satya, Treta, Dwapara and Kali, several spiritual authorities manifest age after age. It is this spiritual view of Indians which makes them tolerant to other religions, sages and prophets. Only through such a cosmology, the human race can be united and liberated from religious intolerance. Only a Guru who comes as the authority of the age within this cosmology can lead all people to a unitive spiritual path. Navajyotisri Karunakara Guru has not brought a new religion; He has only reinterpreted the Sanatana Dharma concepts in tune with the age. During this age of religious conflicts only such a unitive spiritual ideology can save us.

    • Hi Robert, re- reading this again – and recommending Michael Cremo come to the website and study this article on the Map. He visited Ankor Vat and described the visit in Atlantic Rising (May June 2015 issue). He needs help with the part on Vishnu and his emanations.
      patricia

  • Thea replied to the topic Integral Cosmology of the Veda in the forum Aeon Forum 10 years, 1 month ago · 


    The Precession of the Equinoxes, marking the backward passage through the zodiac of the Astrological Ages: each completed round consists of 25,920 Earth years; an Age is 2160 years. We are in the Aquarian Age since 1926.

  • Thea replied to the topic Integral Cosmology of the Veda in the forum Aeon Forum 10 years, 1 month ago · 


    A. Constellations (outer sidereal circle) and the Tropical Zodiac (inner circles) with four Cardinal Points

  • Thea replied to the topic Integral Cosmology of the Veda in the forum Aeon Forum 10 years, 1 month ago · 

    Finally, I need to point out that Nirayani astrologers base their calculation of the Zero Point ON THE WRONG CIRCLE. You use the sidereal with its constellations composed of Fixed Stars many light years away from Earth. According to your claim that zodiac ‘has shifted’ its Zero Point, for which a rectification is required both for the calendar and…[Read more]

  • Thea replied to the topic The Supramental Yoga in the forum Aeon Forum 10 years, 1 month ago · 

    I love to read what all of you have to say about the fundaments of this Work, each one throwing a different light, or seeing these fundaments from different perspectives.

    Regarding ST there is something important to bear in mind. The compaction is actualised ON THE OTHER SIDE. Second important piece is what both Arinaya and Lori have brought…[Read more]

  • Prominent in the Indian news is the burning issue of marital rape, whether or not to amend existing laws to criminalise the act. The debate in Parliament further added fuel to the fire when the Minister dismissed […]

    • It is very much like what I write about the Old Testament. The date Creationists give for the beginning of it all is very accurate. However, not the beginning of God’s creation but it was then that the Mental supremacy was set to be demolished with the advent of the Supermind and the 9th Avatar. Jews and Arabs stand for the Mental and Vital principles; and you must agree that they do embody these principles. They are at war with each other and it will remain so until India steps up to the plate and starts demonstrating the Third Way that is housed on her soil. For now she is stuck in the mud and does not see her role clearly, only in bits and pieces. It takes courage to move on…

      This is the same. Darwin was looking at evolution from the aboluste perspective: a very long stretch of time during which humans evolved from primates, etc. But actually what we grasp of the process from this point in time is the situation we are faced with at present. We study the 9th Manifestation and the task to be accomplished during this period of 6480 years. And that is the displacement of Mind in favour of the next higher principle. But to accomplish that we must ‘raise the pivot’ from the sex centre (the ego-axis I write about) to the higher position (the centred man of Leonardo’s famed drawing that has played such an important part of my work). Leonardo drew it just as it is: we must raise the pivot of our consciousness-being so that we set a new purpose in the volutionary process – no longer atavistic but a ‘higher’ purpose. This is explained in ‘The Magical Carousel’ well enough – the transition from Virgo to Libra, emergence in the higher hemisphere because of dedication to ‘a higher cause’.

      It is pointless to dwell on the entire evolutionary process from the beginning because it has been handled differently. I hate speculation so we will leave it at that.

      Tell me if I have missed something. Thea

    • Thea, This is such a helpful message … towards being more aware of the binary forces at work and of the need to center. Regarding:

      ‘Darwin got it wrong: it is not the survival of the species that drives evolution; it is the quest for the supremacy of Diti’s creation in this particular round of the Precession of the Equinoxes as seen in the Map of the 12 Manifestations.’

      I am not understanding ‘the quest for the supremacy of Diti’s creation’ as being what drives evolution.

      I understand what is next:

      ‘The purpose or goal set before us as an evolving species in this vast cycle of 77,760 years is the establishment of a civilisation that has surpassed the binary and entered the realm of the Mother of Unity; she is known as Aditi in the Veda, or Capricorn in the zodiac where she stands in direct opposition to Diti of Cancer.’

      Can you further expand on your seeing of ‘the quest for the supremacy of Diti’s creation’ as a driving force of evolution?

  • Thea replied to the topic The Supramental Yoga in the forum Aeon Forum 10 years, 1 month ago · 

    I don’t exactly follow. My sense is that the ticking in this case indicates that we are in the manifesation but compacted. Compacted three times, past, present and future. I don’t get that sense frtom what you have written. Explain further. Thea

  • Thea replied to the topic The Supramental Yoga in the forum Aeon Forum 10 years, 1 month ago · 

    The more one reflects the more obvious it seems: If we are focussing on an Earth-rooted realisation, the proverbial bringing heaven to Earth, it has to be universal or collective. But of course the collectivity is made up of individuals. The two cannot be separated. To have a collective realisation there has to be a re-positioning of the…[Read more]

  • Thea replied to the topic The Supramental Yoga in the forum Aeon Forum 10 years, 1 month ago · 

    …but a perfectly natural next step in the right line of her evolution

    This is the way I feel about this work, that it is a ‘natural next step’, and it always thrills me to be on this road into infinity, to know that there is never an end to the growth into the Supramental Manifestation. It also thrills me as I look through these comments and t…[Read more]

  • Thea replied to the topic The Supramental Yoga in the forum Aeon Forum 10 years, 2 months ago · 

    ‘You are about to discover the last three realms, the regions very few consciously reach. Remember Heropidus Heronimous and all his teachings, for in those realms this knowledge is used. Good-bye my little ones, good-bye…’

    They gallop off at great speed, crossing the violet and fuchsia coloured land, for the Centaur makes every effort to fulfi…[Read more]

  • Thea replied to the topic Atlantis Rising on Kosyrev in the forum Aeon Forum 10 years, 2 months ago · 

    Now the message I sent to Arinaya to post, because I couldn’t get it done, is up there! I suppose we have kinks to work out…

    Be this as it may, your question is valid, Arinaya. I think that what has to be bypassed is not science as such, within which is all the technology we enjoy, but rather it is a question of ‘putting each thing in its p…[Read more]

  • Thea replied to the topic Atlantis Rising on Kosyrev in the forum Aeon Forum 10 years, 2 months ago · 

    Lori and all, I hope this reaches you! What is so fascinating is that my first ‘lost’ comment somehow found its way to the Forum (God knows how all that got done!). The fact is there was much more to comment on, and this I did in the second entry; the first was waiting for me to do just that! ` I appreciate your further comments, accompanied by…[Read more]

  • Thea replied to the topic The Physics Of 9-6-3-0/1 in the forum Aeon Forum 10 years, 2 months ago · 

    I am wondering about the direction this Forum is taking. I believe we have to assess what it is that we want to bring about. To me this Forum would seem to be a place where the NEW thingscan be discussed. Some of the entries (like the material on Nassim Haramein) bring in the twists and turns of people, scientists, thinkers mulling about, trying…[Read more]

  • Thea wrote a new post, The Circle 10 years, 2 months ago · 

    I wish to place before you as a Key perhaps the most important of all, the basis for all the rest; or we could say that contains all the rest: the Circle and its various divisions. Here I will discuss mainly one: […]

    • Dear Theaji,
      No doubt, your supra mental experiences are wonderful. The experience of the golden red sun is equally thrilling.
      I have one question. When you experienced the golden red sun, did you see that sun moving or at stand still. Did time not stop then?
      “The number of the circle was 9 but there was the zero too as her rest position.” This is also very good discovery. I appreciate and agree with it too. Hope you do not mind me explaining about these my way of interpretation in terms of our Kala chakra.
      thank you,
      Hari Malla

    • The Earth is that circle you describe so well -rotating each 24 hours on its axis and revolving every 365 days around the sun. And from that glorious Earth-circle comes the new language – the language of Form, as you call it: our number system 0 – 9, and our calendar of time and space. It gives to all of us – members of the gnostic society – a universal way of seeing and speaking about spirituality…. and perhaps even more, a way to experience the Divine here – now…

      The vision/symbol of that red-gold-orange tail coming from the Sun, filled with geometric symbols is wonder-full!

    • Thea, Apparently your first comment was lost so that you could write more on the subject!

      I opened The Tenth Day of Victory, Vol. 1 to look for the passages you have pointed to, and opened directly to Chapter 30 where you describe your realizations regarding the 9 and the circle and such. The description of your 18 May 1972 vision of the Supramental Sun and substance is in Chapter 25 (pp. 181-184).

      These Chapters are contained within Part 5 of the book which begins with a quote from Sri Aurobindo’s ‘The Synthesis of Yoga’ on Vijnana or Gnosis which is relevant to a current forum discussion on science and the 9/6/3/0-1 formula I believe (as well as other discussions on health and the supramental yoga in general). I have expanded the quote a bit to include the preceding paragraph in addition to the one you’ve included in TTDV1:

      ‘It is possible to cultivate and extend the use of the intuitive mind in proportion as we rely less predominantly upon the reasoning intelligence. We may train our mentality not to seize, as it does now, upon every separate flash of intuitive illumination for its own inferior purposes, not to precipitate our thought at once into a crystallising intellectual action around it; we can train it to think in a stream of successive and connected intuitions, to pour light upon light in a brilliant and triumphant series. We shall succeed in this difficult change in proportion as we purify the interfering intelligence,—if we can reduce in it the element of material thought enslaved to the external appearances of things, the element of vital thought enslaved to the wishes, desires, impulses of the lower nature, the element of intellectual thought enslaved to our preferred, already settled or congenial ideas, conceptions, opinions, fixed operations of intelligence, if, having reduced to a minimum those elements, we can replace them by an intuitive vision and sense of things, an intuitive insight into appearances, an intuitive will, an intuitive ideation. This is hard enough for our consciousness naturally bound by the triple tie of mentality, vitality, corporeality to its own imperfection and ignorance, the upper, middle and lower cord in the Vedic parable of the soul’s bondage, cords of the mixed truth and falsehood of appearances by which Shunahshepa was bound to the post of sacrifice.
      ‘But even if this difficult thing were perfectly accomplished, still the intuition would not be the gnosis; it would only be its thin prolongation into mind or its sharp edge of first entrance. The difference, not easy to define except by symbols, may be expressed if we take the Vedic image in which the Sun represents the gnosis and the sky, mid-air and earth the mentality, vitality, physicality of man and of the universe. Living on the earth, climbing into the mid-air or even winging in the sky, the mental being, the manomaya Purusha, would still live in the rays of the sun and not in its bodily light. And in those rays he would see things not as they are, but as reflected in his organ of vision,
      deformed by its faults or limited in their truth by its restrictions. But the vijñānamaya Purusha lives in the Sun itself, in the very body and blaze of the true light;1 he knows this light to be his own self-luminous being and he sees besides all that dwells in the rays of the sun, sees the whole truth of the lower triplicity and each thing that is in it. He sees it not by reflection in a mental organ of vision, but with the Sun of gnosis itself as his eye,—for the Sun, says the Veda, is the eye of the gods. The mental being, even in the intuitive mind, can perceive the truth only by a brilliant reflection or limited communication and subject to the restrictions and the inferior capacity of the mental vision; but the supramental being sees it by the gnosis itself, from the very centre and outwelling fount of the truth, in its very form and by its own spontaneous and self-illumining process. For the Vijnana is a direct and divine as opposed to an indirect and human knowledge.’

      ______

      Here’s a bit of your account of your vision/realisation of the ‘golden-red Sun’:

      ‘Truly the vision of the golden-red Sun had been the most accurate prophecy of an impending realisation I had ever had. In every way that vision was realised. And, as I wrote to the Mother, symbols were no longer simply abstract figures. They lived. There was no separation between what they ’stood for’ and the actual figure. I had penetrated into the realm in which these separations do not exist. I had entered a state of consciousness in which unity is the foundation. But more than that, I had finally reached the Source of every symbol, of everything in creation in fact. And that Source was the Divine Mother. She was that Circle, that ’symbol’, denoting the All in its essential unity: all symbols emerged from the Circle. I was only one more step and that All could be reduced to Number. The number of the circle was 9. The 9 was the Divine Mother.
      But there was the Zero, the Point. This followed the realisation of the 9 and the Circle. With the Zero the Knowledge was complete. And out of That came the whole of creation. This Silence was a fullness and no void. The void was the illusion. Only fullness was Reality.’ – TTDV1, Ch. 30, pp 206-207

      ‘… I had entered that Zero, that ’seed’, through the Absolute’s aspect of dynamics, which in terms of the knowledge as it was taking shape for me, meant the 9. The 9 was the Divine Mother’s principle of movement, while the 0 was her aspect of rest. But rest and motion were decidedly two sides of one coin, and the full reality could never be experienced unless one had attained a poise in which these two were a simultaneous experience. I was moving inward, from the outer 9 to the 0, the centre of the Sun as it were.’ – TTDV1, Ch. 30, pp 209-210

      It is astounding what an epic challenge it has been and continues to be to convey this realisation to the world. Or rather, it is astounding to see how the body of Gnosis has grown so vast, and yet does not register to the mind … as if in another world (that 4th quadrant of the evolutionary circle) that the ‘lower triplicity’ (the physical, vital, mental consciousness) cannot see.

      I trust Time will help orchestrate the revelation (for more of humanity) of what Gnosis IS and MUST BE. I trust that even this discussion is part of that orchestration/orchestra. There are so many layers of realisation … so many layers of ignorance to be peeled back and dispensed with. I am so grateful for the keys of Gnosis which you have presented which make it possible to know and ‘get into’ the rhythm of creation, preservation, dissolution. The process of letting go of our old and obsolete structures is MUCH less painful the more aware we are of what needs to be dispensed with, and the more appreciative we are of ALL that collaborates to do the needful.

    • As you know, I had answered at length the above questions you pose; for some reason it was lost in cyber space and could not be retrieved. I doubt I can reproduce what seemed to flow so nicely – but perhaps it was lost because it was not right – time and space. Who can say…
      In my experience there is no separation in these matters. This is because of certain experiences I had in the Ashram when the Mother was present. They cemented in my consciousness the Oneness of it all. The first breakthrough came in May of 1972 when I had the vision of the Supramental Sun – though at the time I did not see it as ‘supra-mental’. I recorded this in 10th Day 1, if you recall. The vision was remarkable and left its physical effects as well; which made it all the more indelible. The ‘tail’ that extended from the red-orange Sun was made of many geometric figures to form this square tail. (All of these elements of the vision-dream are symbols of the Supermind, according to Sri Aurobindo, the Sun, the Square, the colour of the Sun.) It was like a Velasquez painting – Las Meninas, for example: a moment of eternity captured in all its intensity.
      That was only the beginning, and it left me ripe for the next which answers your questions specifically. The next experiences, covering the first 9 days of September 1972, set in motion the static vision of May; dynamism was added, and with it came Number and all the rest. Symbols were emblazoned in my consciousness almost as living beings.
      It was then that I experienced in its fullest intensity the 9 as the essence of the Circle. It was all rather simplistic: the tool was the mathematics of unity, or reduction to a seed digit, those whole tones I often write about. Every circle, any circle in whatever context consists of 360 degrees (the circle-globe of the Earth as well; this is reduced to 9 which in turn is the number of the Divine Mother – because the Circle is the entire universal manifestation: Everything is contained in the Circle; all forms come out of the Circle. It is THAT, all that IS.
      Relating all this today makes it rather dry and inconsequential, but in the experience it was revolutionary because everything CAME ALIVE. Not mentally by essentially. Along with this was the perfection of the Manifestation, of everything that IS at each moment. It was a sort of Brahman Consciousness which is coveted by yogis of many paths. But there was a huge difference which I was not aware of at the time.
      The difference with my realisation and others that are apparently the same, was that this was on the backdrop of the Supramental Canvas, we could say and therefore rooted in matter, where the others are always attained by rising above into the Self beyond the material manifestation. And it was a controlled, organic development that followed the static vision of entry into the supramental plane. Clearly what happened in May 1972 was a penetration UP THERE. What happened in the following September was fully DOWN HERE. That is where movement comes in: the flow of time as recorded on our planet. Thus that Circle had its divisions as in the Mother’s symbol.
      (As I write I am aware that we cannot really separate the Supermind from matter, from the material dimension, or this universe of 9. It makes no sense outside – what might that be? – of the universal manifestation and hence of all that moves.)
      The reason spiritually-minded people do not appreciate this is because essentially they ALL deny Movement. In TNW1 There is a chapter entitled The Truth of that which Moves. This is the essence of my contribution. It is to bring forth that truth based on the lived experience within the boundaries of our Time and Space. It is no good to have the experience UP THERE, as I had had in May 1972. The issue is to live it here; the vision itself was telling me that: the square tail consisting of countless geometric forms swept down to Earth and passed right in front of the balcony where I was standing. I then took a morsel of the solar stuff that was woven through the symbols and thereby set off a physical repercussion (which lasted for all the years I was in the Ashram). It seemed that the body itself had to be made ready to take the next step. I had to have the physical vessel somehow prepared for receiving what was to come, or for going further and deeper into these truths and their application.
      You recall what Sri Aurobindo wrote? – to become the thing symbolised. What happened when movement was added was that becoming – which is the core of my work.
      I don’t think this third phase of the Supramental Manifestation can be successively completed unless this question of the truth of that which moves is cemented in the evolutionary mind of humanity. This is where we part ways with all former spirituality; this is when it becomes something else, that third thing.
      This all boils down to Measure. UP THERE (wherever – out of the material manifestation) there is nothing to measure. Only when movement enters (the universal manifestation) can we introduce measure. But in my May vision, there were geometric forms – i.e. that step once removed from the physical, truly penetrating to the dimension of essence via geometry.
      As an aside, it is amusing that Swallor de Lubicz (sp?) and his followers claim that women cannot engage in geometry WHICH IS TOO ABSTRACT FOR THEM. Obviously the geometry of time changes all that – veritably the domain of Woman. Geometry abstract? My lord, what a false perception!)
      The interesting part is that if we probe deeply we realise that it is only in this 9th Manifestation that any true appreciation of the essence of the universal manifestation can come about. For that a number of elements have to converge – the number system, the full geography of the Earth, and so on. I have written time and again that this 9th is the time of Birth – and that until now everything was simply the foetus in gestation, hence NOT BORN. This is a tremendous statement, if you think about it, because that ‘everything’ is truly EVERYTHING. (I will discuss this later together with an entry in the Mother’s Agenda). It is now that all these ‘abstracts’ are materialised.
      To conclude, I was in such a state of rapture in the throes of the September experiences, seeing the perfection of each moment that I almost did not want to breathe for fear of disturbing that perfection of each moment, of everything that is. That would have been the be-all end-all for anyone else, on any of the known paths; and yet shortly thereafter I was pulled out of that state and made to realise how it was just the beginning of the New Way. That silence was the Zero-Womb, the Seed; from that the true glories of the Supermind would evolve. My writings from that time, starting with Symbols and the Question of Unity reflected this newness. The truly gratifying part came after, with the evolution from that Seed of what followed. That was just the beginning. For everyone else on a spiritual path, it would be the culmination.
      To conclude, I have written about essence and form. Put this way, the circle is itself FORM in the sense that it IS the universe (‘the symbol is the thing symbolised’), or as Plato put it so nicely, God geometrises. Within every single ‘form’ there is essence. When dealing with geometric ‘forms’ that are a step removed from dense materiality, we could say, that essence will also take the form of something ‘less material’ like Number; hence 9. But to ‘see’ that there has to be the realisation I had in September 1972 when it all CAME ALIVE.
      That is what this third phase of the Work is about: it is the Vital, it is Life and the movement that makes all living things possible, that makes the universe itself possible.

      Thea
      22.4.2015

    • To make it clear how Number is the essence of the 0, at least according to my realisation, please see TenthDay1, the chapter where I write to the Mother about the remarkable breakthroughs I was making in the first days of September. It was that realisaiton that brought out Number as the essence of the Circle.

      I SAW the circle as 9, always by the use of mathematics of unity – the circle consisting of 360 degrees, reducing to the full tone 9, the ’seed reduction’. Now, the problem with all of this is that people assume these equations to be arbitrary, and this is enhanced by the notion that it all has nothing to do with spirituality, which is BEYOND ALL THAT MOVES, and hence can be measured. The problem is that they do not see or understand WHO is arranging all these ‘arbitrary’ things. If it is truly ALL ONE, then the actual numbr system must be a part of that Oneness, which is the Supreme Consciousness in manifestation.

      Here we enter the Supermind. Those experiences of September 1972 emblazoned Number in my consciousness which WAS/IS the Supreme in extension of himself. This is when you enter the Supermind because it is the reconciliation of that paradox: simultaneity of Being and Becoming. I have written about this connected to the Mother’s experience as another post in ‘The Supramental Yoga’ today. The discourses we are carrying on in this website is taking the next step collectively, incorporating the next circle. I am clearly in a teaching phase; using the Mother’s expriences and adding mine is really a wonderful way to explain exactly what the Supramental Manifestaiton is about.

      To make it clearer, the September 1972 realisation was a sequence to the experience of the red Sun in May of that year. These were all of the Supermind, but I did not realise it at the time. However, the May experience was STATIC – that’s the key difference. In September it all started TO MOVE. That very tail coming out of the supramental sun was set in motion – enter Number and Geometry. The Circle is the manifestation. Therefore it is MEASURED, MEASUREABLE.

      Let’s keep going. This is getting very exciting!

    • Thea, I have never thought about NUMBER being the essence of the Circle. I’ve understood the need to understand number in terms of the circle … as divisions of the whole, which cannot be properly seen in linear terms. But the idea that number is the ‘essence’ of the Circle takes me a bit deeper into this KEY and how it is/must be applied if one wants to fathom and enter into the Supramental or 4th quadrant of the evolutionary cycle journey. One must come to understand the sacred structure or geometry of the play … to better understand the nature and essence of WHAT is at play, i.e. the Divine Self. Any more thoughts from you Thea regarding number as the essence of the circle would be welcome. It is such a profound (compressed/dense/full) statement and I suspect it may take some unpacking for some readers. It’s so simple a teaching yet the mind is so twisted up in the complexities and multiple choices of life that I imagine it is not in a position to appreciate it much. Most spiritually minded people today would agree that we are all One, but the idea that Number is so essential to knowing THAT oneness is quite foreign. There are people who are interested in numerology, and in India there is appreciation for at least the number 9 … but they are only scratching the surface of what needs to be understood about number and its link with Divinity, with the Life Divine … which you have brought forth in your work.

  • Thea replied to the topic The Mother on two possibilities in the forum Aeon Forum 10 years, 2 months ago · 

    I don’t know if this is the place to post my lates reflections. I thought we had a section, or a new topic on the Supramental Yoga. If it IS there, I cannot find it, so perhaps Lori and Arinaya can do the needful with this. We should have a new topic: the Supramental Yoga. Here goes:

    ‘This feeling that all things are organised, concentrated, a…[Read more]

  • Thea replied to the topic MEDICINE, HEALING in the forum Aeon Forum 10 years, 2 months ago · 

    So very true. We do have a long way to go. We are in the period of ‘disorder’ for sure. How much longer? I found the quote of the Mother on doctors:

    ‘I decided that I was going to heal myself – I was told that it isn’t curable. You know, doctors poison you (as they poisoned that poor S) to heal you – and that is not a cure! When they do not n…[Read more]

  • Thea replied to the topic MEDICINE, HEALING in the forum Aeon Forum 10 years, 2 months ago · 

    Patricia, it seems some lines were missing at the end of your posting. Check it out.

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